israel and egypt were mortal enemies. it was president carter who came to -- had them to come camp david and made them negotiate a peace agreement that has lasted for over 30 years although now it seems like it is in jeopardy now that the americans supported dictator is out of power. would you agree that's sort of what president clinton tried to do with arafat was to bring the leaders together and try to make them hash out something? >> sure. but you know, with these leaders, i don't see why all of the people have to be getting killed off for their disagreements and stuff. and i think that the only way to do it and you know, everybody always says that jimmy carter wasn't that good a president. i think he was one of the best presidents we had. >> john: in many areas i agree with you. i think great men aren't always great leaders but he's a great man and has continued to be. and again, i have to agree with jimmy carter 100%. nonviolence is the only solution to the israeli-palestinian conflict. it will not come at the end of